Prophecy over Ishmael and Islam

THE WELL PROPHECIES OVER ISHMAEL, EDOM and ISLAM

This essay will attempt to weave together several different but connected themes.

1.The progression and multiple fulfillments of the many prophecies were given by YHWH God, through His Prophets to the nations surrounding Israel and to Israel itself.

  1. The desert/wilderness place of meeting between YHWH God and His selected and set apart Prophets was usually a Well and a spring of water. This same refreshment setting also happened to the recipients of prophecy such as Hagar.
  2. The multiple, time appointed fulfillment of these prophecies is a standard of Bible exegesis, and is usually not understood by modern Christian biblical pundits and prophecy writers.

The Bible is very clear about God’s pronounced prophecies and their fulfillment. The scripture text allows for at least two and/or three prophetic timelines throughout history. The first instance would be the timely and immediate fulfillment at or near the time that the Holy Words were spoken by God’s messenger. The second fulfillment may be an intermediate event that would occur in History, such as the Thee Days and Three Nights that Yeshua spent in the grave with Jonah’s example being the criteria and a third fulfillment being the two witnesses in the book of Revelation during the Last Days.

Christians miss entirely these Bible facts because they throw out God’s Torah/Law, called the Pentateuch in Greek, as not being pertinent to them, even though the Almighty calls it “ETERNAL.” They conveniently forget that and then usually engage in scripture twisting to “prove” their traditions.

The final fulfillment of the Tanakh prophecies occurs in the Acharit Hayamim, the End of Days of the present World Age.

Most Christian and Jewish writers with their biased and self-limited understanding of scripture; discard the Torah of YHWH God, the Father along with entire tribes and nations as “being done away with” and not relevant to “US”.

The Jews dispense with the 10 Northern tribes of Israel, hauled off into captivity by the Assyrian Empire and dispersed all over the world, as being a “disappeared people” and lost forever in spite of scripture stating the theme of “Restoration” of these 10 tribes in the last days. Likewise, Christians discard the first five books of the Bible, God’s Torah, as being dispensed with, even reversing Paul’s defense of the same Torah; thereby granting him the authority to “do away with” YHWH God’s Laws. I find this scripture twisting weird at best.

Scriptures naming the Way to Shur

Genesis 16:7 The angel of Yahweh found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

Genesis 20:1 Abraham traveled from there toward the land of the South, and lived between Kadesh and Shur. He lived as a foreigner in Gerar.

“From there Abraham journeyed toward the territory of the Negev, and dwelt between Kadesh and Shur; and he sojourned in Gerar.” (Genesis 21:1 RSV)

Genesis 25:18 They lived from Havilah to Shur that is before Egypt, as you go toward Assyria. He lived opposite all his relatives.

Exodus 15:22 Moses led Israel onward from the Red Sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.

1 Samuel 15:7 Saul struck the Amalekites, from Havilah as you go to Shur that is before Egypt.

1 Samuel 27:8 David and his men went up, and made a raid on the Geshurites, and the Girzites, and the Amalekites; for those nations were the inhabitants of the land, who were of old, as you go to Shur, even to the land of Egypt.

THE TWO ROADS THROUGH THE WILDERNESS

There are two ancient roads leading through the several wildernesses of the northern part of the Sinai Peninsula. The coast road is named “The Way to the land of the Philistines” and the inland route is called “The Way to Shur.”

The word SHUR means “the WALL OF SEPARATION.”

These are Trade routes

At this period in history there were two main trade routes to Canaan. The quickest and best route was north, but the Philistines were all through that area and“…God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt.” Exodus 13:17

The second route was south across the Sinai Peninsula to the Gulf of Aqaba and then turning north into Canaan.

“But Yahweh God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red Sea.” Exodus 13:18

These two roads have both a physical and a spiritual meaning and a purpose within YHWH God’s plan for the ages and for mankind’s walk through those ages. These roads do several things and we will list them.

  1. They can lead one away from Egypt, a nation and scriptural type of slavery and bondage to the things of the world.
  2. They can lead one by the difficult inland road, “the Way of Shur”, into the promised land of freedom under YHWH God’s Tallit of blessing inside of His chosen family and His Kingdom.
  3. They can lead one by the easy “Coast” road, “The Way into the land of the Philistines” into another PLACE of bondage to sin and a habitation of demons.
  4. In all of the miles that anyone have walked on these two roads leading away from Egypt; one always has the choice to turn about and to return to Egypt and its deceptive and fleshly pleasures of sin and slavery; the same choice as Israel had in the wilderness.
  5. Traveling on either road through the wilderness and deserts, water is scarce. The easy coast road offers more available water than the difficult inland road. Spiritually, this means that the blandishments of “the easy way” are ever before us travelers toward God’s Kingdom and purposes, but the easy way may lead one to the land of the Philistines, the enemies of Israel. This is the road of the Backslider.
  6. The difficult road to Shur; traveled when one is leaving Egypt; is the road toward a “PLACE of the Wall of Separation.” Again, we are faced with a seeming dichotomy. There are two pathways that face us continually on this road. One is that we desire to separate ourselves from the kingdoms of this pagan world in order to wind up in the Kingdom of Yeshua, our Savior and the other choice is to separate ourselves from the Kingdom of the Almighty Elohim and re-enter Egypt.
  7. When we reach our extremity on the difficult road and are beaten into the dust of flesh, as Moses was; then God appears and, after we repent of our sins before Him, He provides us with a mysterious WELL in the wilderness, filled with the Water of His Eternal Life. Moses found the Well of Midian and Hagar found the Well of Shur.

This is the mysterious well in the wilderness that draws the chosen vessels of YHWH to it to receive their instructions, rebukes and blessings spoken from the mouth of the Almighty in the first person to the spiritually and physically prepared supplicant.

The Well that is called Be’er-Lachai-Ro’i [The Well of the one who lives and sees; or The Well of the Living One who sees me.]

(Genesis 16 and 24 among others)

This is the “Well of Bible prophecy”, which is a place of meeting with the Angel of YHWH God. It was located between Kadesh and Bered on the road to Shur, passing through the wilderness of Shur, running from Hebron to Egypt, in the Negev and Sinai deserts. God meets with us in the desert and wilderness of our lives. This is a warning to all believers in God. Did you know that when you leave the safety and the blessings of being among the people of the Most high and you wish to return to Egypt as Hagar did, that you must first pass backward through the “Wilderness of Shur”, a place of demons and of testing by the Creator of both darkness and light, before you reach your goal of returning to the fleshpots of Egypt. Backsliders, pay attention! “Turn from your wicked ways and return to Me,” saith the Elohim of hosts.

Beer Lachai Roi: “well of the living One that sees me,” a place in the desert

Original Word: בְּאֵר

Transliteration: Be’er Lachai Ro’i

Phonetic Spelling: (be-ayr’ lakh-ah’ee ro-ee’)

THE PROPHECY OVER ISHMAEL

Hagar, the slave girl that ran away

(Gen 16:1-16) Now Sarai Avram’s wife had not borne him a child. But she had an Egyptian slave-girl named Hagar; so Sarai said to Avram, “Here now, Yahweh has kept me from having children; so go in and sleep with my slave-girl. Maybe I’ll be able to have children through her.” Avram listened to what Sarai said. It was after Avram had lived ten years in the land of Kena`an that Sarai Avram’s wife took Hagar the Egyptian, her slave-girl, and gave her to Avram her husband to be his wife. Avram had sexual relations with Hagar, and she conceived. But when she became aware that she was pregnant, she looked on her mistress with contempt. Sarai said to Avram, “This outrage being done to me is your fault! True, I gave my slave-girl to you to sleep with; but when she saw that she was pregnant, she began holding me in contempt. May Yahweh decide who is right — I or you!” However, Avram answered Sarai, “Look, she’s your slave-girl. Deal with her as you think fit.” Then Sarai treated her so harshly that she ran away from her. The angel of Yahweh found her by a spring in the desert, the spring on the road to Shur [wilderness of Shur], and said, “Hagar! Sarai’s slave-girl! Where have you come from, and where are you going?” She answered, “I’m running away from my mistress Sarai.” The angel of Yahweh said to her, “Go back to your mistress, and submit to her authority.” The angel of Yahweh said to her, “I will greatly increase your descendants; there will be so many that it will be impossible to count them.” The angel of Yahweh said to her, “Look, you are pregnant, and you will give birth to a son. You are to call him Yishma’el [Yahweh pays attention] because Yahweh has paid attention to your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man, with his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, living his life at odds with all his kinsmen.” So she named Yahweh who had spoken with her El Ro’i [Yahweh of seeing], because she said, “Have I really seen the One who sees me [and stayed alive]?” This is why the well has been called Be’er-Lachai-Ro’i [well of the one who lives and sees]; it lies between Kadesh and Bered. Hagar bore Avram a son, and Avram called the son whom Hagar had borne Yishma’el. Avram was 86 years old when Hagar bore Yishma’el to Avram.

(Gen 21:9-21) But Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom Hagar had borne to Avraham, making fun of Yitz’chak; so Sarah said to Avraham, “Throw this slave-girl out! And her son! I will not have this slave-girl’s son as your heir along with my son Yitz’chak!” Avraham became very distressed over this matter of his son. But Yahweh said to Avraham, “Don’t be distressed because of the boy and your slave-girl. Listen to everything Sarah says to you, because it is your descendants through Yitz’chak who will be counted. But I will also make a nation from the son of the slave-girl, since he is descended from you.” Avraham got up early in the morning, took bread and a skin of water and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child; then he sent her away. After leaving, she wandered in the desert around Be’er-Sheva. When the water in the skin was gone, she left the child under a bush, and went and sat down, looking the other way, about a bow-shot’s distance from him; because she said, “I can’t bear to watch my child die.” So she sat there, looking the other way, crying out and weeping. Yahweh heard the boy’s voice, and the angel of Yahweh called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What’s wrong with you, Hagar? Don’t be afraid, because Yahweh has heard the voice of the boy in his present situation. Get up, lift the boy up, and hold him tightly in your hand, because I am going to make him a great nation.” Then Yahweh opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water [Be’er-Lachai-Ro’i]. So she went, filled the skin with water and gave the boy water to drink. Yahweh was with the boy, and he grew. He lived in the desert and became an archer. He lived in the Pa’ran Desert, and his mother chose a wife for him from the land of Egypt.

Hagar was an Egyptian slave to Sarai, Abraham’s wife bought from slave traders that were probably Arabs, as slave trading has always been an Arab enterprise throughout history, and even today. Hagar had no idea that YHWH God was paying attention to her, a pagan girl. As all slaves think, she only dreamed of going home and returning to Egypt. The same thoughts were on the minds of many of the children of Israel when the Almighty delivered them from Egyptian bondage as slaves and took the into the wildernesses of Sinai, the wilderness of Shur, the wilderness of sin, the wilderness of Paran, the Negev desert and the wilderness of Midian. She ran away once and was booted out of camp the second time she fled for safety and the companionship of her pagan people in Egypt. She had no theological understanding at all, but received her conversations with God as a part of her life. I find this amazing!

The promises that the Almighty that he gave to her and to her son, Ishmael, so loved by the Arab Muslims were and are eternal in nature and are the biased Baseline used by Islam to proclaim their supremacy over all other religions and the murderous intent of the Muslims toward all other humans on planet earth.

If one looks at ancient maps of the Exodus, it is obvious that the ancient “Road to Shur” [meaning the Wall of Separation] between Be’er Sheva and Egypt is the obvious route back from the “Promised Land” in order to return to Egypt and this is the road traveled by Hagar on two occasions. On the first attempt, YHWH ordered her to return to His chosen people at the mysterious well of “THE LIVING ONE who sees me”, giving her water from it.

On the second occasion; again at the well of “THE LIVING ONE who sees me”, Yahweh gave her again of His Living Water and allowed her to return to Egypt with Ishmael, her revived son, in order to fulfill YHWH’s plan for the ages, because He is the CREATOR of both Darkness and Light!

The road to Shur [the PLACE of a wall of separation] later became the Kings Highway, which is spoken about so often in scripture; both in the ancient sense and also in the prophetic tense for the final fulfillment during the Acharit Hayamim [end of days].

Isaiah 19: the judgment on Egypt chapter

(Isaiah 19:23) On that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Ashur. Ashur will come to Egypt and Egypt to Ashur, and Egypt will worship with Ashur.

(Isaiah 40:3) A voice cries out: “Clear a road through the desert for Yahweh! Level a highway in the `Aravah for our God!

Isaiah 43: The second Exodus and restoration of Israel chapter

(Isaiah 43:19) I am doing something new; it’s springing up — can’t you see it? I am making a road in the desert, rivers in the wasteland [The mysterious WELL of the Living One who sees me!].

(Isaiah 43:20) The wild animals will honor me, the jackals and the ostriches; because I put water in the desert, rivers in the wasteland, for my chosen people to drink,

(Isaiah 43:21) the people I formed for myself, so that they would proclaim my praise.

HAGAR, the Egyptian servant girl, DRANK at that WELL! Jacob drank at that WELL. Yeshua/Jesus drank at that WELL, the Well of His Father at the end of His 40 days in the wilderness of separation and of testing!

Is that well spiritually available to us at the end of our days of testing in the wilderness? Yes it is! Today, it is called, “THE BLOOD of MESSIAH, YESHUA/JESUS, our sacrifice. Drink of the Living Water of “the living One who sees me.”

THE PROPHECY OVER YITZ’CHAK [JACOB]

(Gen 24:62-67) Meanwhile, Yitz’chak, one evening after coming along the road from Be’er-Lachai-Ro’i — he was living in the Negev — went out walking in the field; and as he looked up, he saw camels approaching. Rivkah too looked up; and when she saw Yitz’chak, she quickly dismounted the camel. She said to the servant, “Who is this man walking in the field to meet us?” When the servant replied, “It’s my master,” she took her veil and covered herself. The servant told Yitz’chak everything he had done. Then Yitz’chak brought her into his mother Sarah’s tent and took Rivkah, and she became his wife, and he loved her. Thus was Yitz’chak comforted for the loss of his mother.

THE PROPHECY OVER EDOM [ESAU]

In Genesis 27:38-40, Isaac prophesies concerning his elder son, Esau, after the young man had discovered that Jacob had stolen the patriarchal blessing from him, and tearfully begged his father to bless him also.

`Esav said to his father, “Have you only one blessing, my father? Father, bless me too!” `Esav wept aloud, and Yitz’chak his father answered him: “Here! Your home will be of the richness of the earth and of the dew of heaven from above.

You will live by your sword, and you will serve your brother. But when you break loose, you will shake his yoke off your neck.”

The gist of the prophecy is actually a curse, predicting that Esau’s descendants would dwell away from fertile lands and plentiful rainfall, live in near-constant conflict, and serve Jacob’s offspring except in infrequent instances of rebellion. It is no wonder that Esau’s hatred for his younger brother burned so intensely.

Since Jacob would inherit the patriarchy from Isaac upon their father’s death, Esau chose to move away to another land rather than chafe under his brother’s future headship in Canaan. “Then Esau took his wives, his sons, his daughters, and all the persons of his household, his cattle and all his animals, and all his goods which he had gained in the land of Canaan, and went to a country away from the presence of his brother Jacob” (Genesis 36:6).

`Esav took his wives, his sons and daughters, the others in his household, his cattle and other animals and everything else he owned, which he had acquired in the land of Kena`an, and went off to a country distant from his brother Ya`akov.

This occurred sometime between Isaac’s giving of the blessing and Jacob’s return to Canaan with his wives and children in Genesis 33. Before crossing the Jordan, Jacob had “sent messengers . . . to Esau his brother in the land of Seir, the country of Edom” (Genesis 32:3). At some point during those twenty years (Genesis 31:38), then, Esau had moved his family southeastward from Beersheba to the mountainous region east of Sinai between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba, in the wilderness of Paran.

Time Frame

One of the longest continuous prophecies concerning Edom comprises the shortest book in the Old Testament, the book of Obadiah. Whereas the first two parts of this series have concentrated on the beginnings and development of the sibling rivalry between Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom, Obadiah lays out, in a succinct overview, its causes and resolution.

Recognizing the internal time markers in Obadiah is vital to understanding the prophecy. This little prophetic book confirms, not only Edom’s part in the confederacy against Israel, but also that the evil alliance is joined at the end time. In Obadiah 1:15, 21, clear indicators of the end time appear:

For the day of Yom Yahweh [the Lord] upon all the nations is near; as you have done, it shall be done to you; your reprisal shall return upon your own head. Then saviors shall come to Mount Zion to judge the mountains of Esau, and the kingdom shall be Yahweh’s.

The prophecy will begin to be fulfilled in the years prior to the Day of the Lord, and ends as the millennial reign of Yeshua Messiah commences.

Edom’s participation in the conspiracy against his brother Jacob is made definite in Obadiah 1:6-7:

Oh, how Esau shall be searched out! How his hidden treasures shall be sought after! All the men in your confederacy shall force you to the border; the men at peace with you shall deceive you and prevail against you. Those who eat your bread shall lay a trap for you. No one is aware of it.

Even his friends, his allies in the conflict with Israel, know that Edom is not to be trusted. They are acquainted with the character of this ancient people, and thus they will do what needs to be done to keep him from dominating them and getting them involved beyond what they are prepared to do. His allies will secretly plan to destroy him. Any confederacy Esau has with others will be short-lived, and this is especially true knowing the deceitful character of his associates! They, too, are untrustworthy bedfellows.

Yet, they are unified in their hatred of Israel, and particularly of the people of Joseph. However, their united hatred will fail to overcome the descendants of Jacob. Ultimately, says verse 18, “The house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame,” suggesting that God will direct the nations of Joseph to take the lead in punishing Edom. The result will be that “the house of Esau shall be stubble; they shall kindle them and devour them. And no survivor shall remain of the house of Esau.” What a dire fate! Christian theologians ignore the end times application of the prophecies and “do away with” Edom [Idumeans] in the centuries before Yeshua’s first advent. Well, they did the same thing with 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel in concert with the Jews [Judah] and are in for a big scriptural surprise!

Obadiah means “servant (or worshipper) of Yah,” which may have been his actual name or a title to mask his identity. It could refer to anyone who worships God. The Bible contains eight or ten Obadiah’s, but none seems to fit the man who wrote the prophecy. History does not record whether he was well placed in the kingdom or whether he was a Jew, Levite, or a member of another Israelite tribe. All we know is that he was a servant of Yahweh.

The prophecy can be outlined simply:

» Verses 1-4: God’s pronouncement of judgment on Edom.

» Verses 5-9: How Edom will be annihilated.

» Verses 10-14: Why Edom will be annihilated.

» Verses 15-16: Edom and the Yom Yahweh “Day of the Lord”.

» Verses 17-21: Israel’s complete triumph over Edom.

Obadiah is a study in God’s punishment of a people for the things that they have done. They will be made to suffer the consequences of their hostile attitudes and aggression against Israel, as well as their constant attempts to impede the purpose of God through Israel.

Concerning Edom

As can be seen in the outline, each of the sections of this brief prophecy has a definite theme. Proverbs 16:18 provides the theme of the first: “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.” Pride, says the well-known adage, is the father of all sin. Pride is the sin of Satan and of Babylon. It is also the sin of Esau.

The vision of Obadiah

Thus says the Lord God concerning Edom (We have heard a report from the Lord, and a messenger has been sent among the nations, saying, “Arise, and let us rise up against her for battle”): “Behold, I will make you small among the nations; you shall be greatly despised. The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who dwell in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; you who say in your heart, ‘Who will bring me down to the ground?'” Though you exalt yourself as high as the eagle, and though you set your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down,” says the Lord. (Obadiah 1:1-4)

Verse 1 contains a parenthetical statement that informs us that God has sent a messenger among the nations, urging them to “rise up against her.” This is how things really work: God is the prime mover of world affairs. He determines His purpose and starts affairs rolling toward its fulfillment by inspiring an idea. Then the political and diplomatic mechanisms of nations take over to bring it to fruition, guided and pushed all the while by God (see Isaiah 46:9-11; 55:11).

In this case, a national leader decides to send an ambassador to other nations to form a military alliance against Edom. The complaint, as explained in subsequent verses, is that Edom must be brought down to size, perhaps because she is not a team player, wanting all the glory and plunder for herself. That God is the ultimate author of this message means that it will happen as advertised.

Obadiah 1:2 adds emphasis to verse 1. The “I” is God Himself; it is His purpose to bring about Edom’s national deflation. He wants Edom to recognize this! He thinks that the Edomites need to be brought into account for their actions and severely punished. Those among the nations who are scheming against Edom are merely agents God will use to fulfill His decree.

Verse 3 strikes at the root of Edom’s problem: “The pride of your heart.” It was easy for the Edomites to believe themselves to be invincible due to the nearly uninhabitable territory they dwelled in. To the west, where Israel lay, the geography made their territory nearly impregnable. Otherwise, they could feel secure because their fortresses were carved out of the rock, so they could either hunker down for long periods or engage in guerilla warfare. An attacking army could in no way pry them out, and they knew it. They felt invulnerable, and this filled them with pride.

“Pride” in verse 3 is the Hebrew word zadon, from the root, ziyd. This root is translated “cooked” in Genesis 25:29, where Jacob cooked a stew that the famished Esau desired. “Cooked” would be better translated “boiled” or “seethed.” When heat is applied to water, it boils, and from this process, the Hebrews gained their understanding of pride.

Obadiah, it seems, specifically used this word to draw the reader’s attention back to this incident, perhaps suggesting that Esau’s selling of the birthright was rooted in his pride. Esau became heated and angry, and it manifested itself as haughtiness, arrogance, pride—the major trait he passed on to his descendants. Just as stew boils up under heat, so Edom puffs herself up thinking that she is self-reliant and invincible. God, however, is out to prove her wrong.

The Edomite challenges at the end of Obadiah 1:3 bears some scrutiny: “Who will bring me down to the ground?” This is remarkably similar to the words of Lucifer in Isaiah 14:13-14 and to those of the great harlot in Revelation 18:7. This same pride will lead Edom into trouble. The Bible declares that, in all three of these examples, God will have the last word: He will humble them all. In Obadiah 1:4, He decrees, no matter how high and mighty Edom considers herself to be, “from there I will bring you down.”

CHRISTIAN POSITION ON EDOM/ESAU

This modern doctrinal Baptist statement is a result of many protestant denominations refusal to study the Hebrew Roots of scripture, along with the antinomian [antiTorah] theology and the embracing of Roman Catholic doctrine, Replacement Theology and John Nelson Darby’s dispensationalism, which positions require the parsing up of scripture into many pieces.

Edom, a nation consisting of the descendants of Esau, twin brother of Jacob and son of Isaac and Rebekah, was located to the southeast of Judah, in a rugged, mountainous region, which is now the southwestern part of the kingdom of Jordan.

Edom is sometimes referred to as Esau (Malachi 1:3), Idumea (Isaiah 34:5) and Mount Seir (Ezekiel 35:3).  All of these names are interchangeable, referring to the same nation, Edom, the children of Esau.

Genesis 36 describes the rapid growth of Edom.  Deuteronomy 2:5 informs us that Edom’s territory was not part of the land promised to Israel and never would be: “Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession.”

Ezekiel condemned the nation of Edom, saying, “Thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity . . .” Ezekiel 35:5.

Throughout ancient history, the Edomites manifested their hatred against the Hebrews, as shown by their refusing Moses and his people permission to pass through Edomite territory in Numbers 20:14-22.  However, in the time of Elisha, the Edomites joined in a military alliance with Israel and Judah, 2 Kings 3:9.  Later, Judah defeated Edom in war, 2 Chronicles 25:5-12.

The major prophecies against Edom are found in Isaiah 34, Jeremiah 49:7-22, Ezekiel 25:12-14 and 35:1-15, and the book of Obadiah.

Isaiah prophesied of God’s judgment against Edom about 700 BC, while Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Obadiah all delivered their prophecies of impending doom upon Edom around the year 600 BC.

It would make doctrinal sense to look for the fulfillment of these prophecies against Edom in that general time period of history.  However, some Christian theologians have proposed that these prophecies against Edom are still unfulfilled, and that their fulfillment will take place in our generation, in the early 21st Century AD.

There are 2 big Christian problems with this theory: 1. The Edomites no longer exist.  It is impossible to punish a people who have already disappeared from the face of the earth many centuries ago.  2. The prophet Malachi, writing about 400 BC, speaks of God’s judgment of Edom as having already taken place: “And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.”  (Malachi 1:3)

History records that the Edomites were ravaged by the Babylonian armies in the early 6th Century BC, and that near the end of the 6th Century BC, the Nabateans attacked the Edomites, driving them from their mountain fortresses of Mount Seir, into the Negev Desert to the west.

The ancient prophecies against Edom were completely fulfilled, according to modern Christian apologetics and they say that there is no need to look for those prophecies to be fulfilled yet again today, especially since the Edomites supposedly no longer exist as an identifiable nation or ethnic group.

Some bible scholars will say, “Are not the Arabs Edomites, and does not the ‘Curse of Esau’ rest upon modern Arabs?”  Though the identification of Edom with the Arabs is a common “traditional” belief, modern theologians say there is absolutely no Scriptural or historical basis for this notion. They are wrong, based upon their biases against the “Jews”.

Christian Dispensational theologians say, Obadiah prophesied that the house of Esau would be completely wiped out (v. 18).  Christians, as replacement Theologians say, “If he was talking about the Arabs, then Obadiah’s prophecy was false, since the Arabs are very much with us today.  If Obadiah was talking about Edom, like he said that he was (v.8), then his prophecy has been fulfilled, since Edom has longed since disappeared as a nation.” How wrong can you be?

THE PROPHECIES CONCERNING ISLAM [MUHAMMAD]

The present War between these cousins has lasted for four thousand years and is the longest family feud in history!

We are now officially, according to Israel’s rabbinate. In the time of JACOB’S TROUBLES, the time and season immediately preceding the Acharit Hayamim, the End of Days. All of the prophecy’s over Ishmael, Esau and Edom are in full effect in these days leading into the Tribulation and YHWH God has implemented them now as the eternal plan for the return of Messiah, Yeshua/Jesus draws near to conclusion. The children of Yishma’el, the Muslims and Palestinians, march in the name of the Moongod, Allah (Strongs #423, the Curse) in lockstep with Yahweh’s direction, to bring Israel to repentance, restoration, and the forming of one new man and woman in Messiah, Yeshua at His Second Advent on planet earth.

This essay can only end on one note; the only prophecy note that really matters.

(Jeremiah 31:1-40) “When that time comes,” says Yahweh, “I will be God of all the clans of Isra’el, and they will be my people.” Here is what Yahweh says: “The people escaping the sword found favor in the desert — I have brought Isra’el to its rest.” From a distance Yahweh appeared to me, [saying,] “I love you with an everlasting love; this is why in my grace I draw you to me. Once again, I will build you; you will be rebuilt, virgin of Isra’el. Once again, equipped with your tambourines, you will go out and dance with the merrymakers. Once again, you will plant vineyards on the hills of Shomron, and those doing the planting will have the use of its fruit. For a day will come when the watchmen on Mount Efrayim will call, ‘Come, let’s go up to Tziyon, to Yahweh our God.’ ” For here is what Yahweh says: “Sing with joy for Ya`akov! Shout for the chief of the nations! Proclaim your praise, and say: ‘Yahweh! You have saved your people, the remnant of Isra’el!’ Look! I am bringing them from the land in the north, gathering them from the far ends of the earth; among them are the blind and lame, women with children, women in labor, all together, a vast throng returning here. They will come weeping and praying as I bring them back. I will lead them by streams of water on smooth paths, so that they won’t stumble. For I am a father to Isra’el, and Efrayim is my firstborn son.” Nations, hear the word of Yahweh! Proclaim it in the coastlands far away. Say: “He who scattered Isra’el is gathering him, guarding him like a shepherd his flock.” For Yahweh has ransomed Ya`akov, redeemed him from hands too strong for him. They will come and sing on the heights of Tziyon, streaming to the goodness of Yahweh, to the grain, the wine, the olive oil, and the young of the flock and the herd. They themselves will be like a well-watered garden, never to languish again. “Then the virgin will dance for joy, young men and old men together; for I will turn their mourning into joy, comfort and gladden them after their sorrow. I will give the cohanim their fill of rich food, and my people will be satisfied with my bounty,” says Yahweh. This is what Yahweh says: “A voice is heard in Ramah, lamenting and bitter weeping. It is Rachel weeping for her children, refusing to be comforted for her children, because they are no longer alive.” This is what Yahweh says: “Stop your weeping, and dry your eyes, for your work will be rewarded,” says Yahweh. “They will return from the enemy’s land; so there is hope for your future,” says Yahweh. “Your children will return to their own territory. “I hear Efrayim bemoaning himself: ‘You disciplined me, and I took your discipline like a young ox not used to a yoke. Let me return, and I will return, for you are Yahweh, my God. Yes, I turned away; but later I repented. When I had been made to understand, I struck my thigh in shame and remorse, bearing the weight of the disgrace acquired when I was young.’ “Isn’t Efrayim my very dear son, a child who delights me so? I speak about him all the time; I can’t help but recall him to mind. In sum, I deeply yearn for him; I will surely show him favor,” says Yahweh.

Set up road signs, erect guideposts, pay attention to the highway, the path on which you traveled. Come back, virgin Isra’el, come back to these cities of yours!

How long will you hesitate, you unruly daughter? For Yahweh has created something new on earth: a woman with the strengths of a man. Here is what Yahweh-Tzva’ot, the God of Isra’el, says: “This expression will be used again in the land of Y’hudah and its cities after I have returned their exiles: ‘May Yahweh bless you, home of justice, holy mountain!’ In it will live together Y’hudah and all its cities, the farmer and those who lead the flocks. For I have satisfied the weary and filled the needs of all in distress.” At this point I woke up and looked around, but I had enjoyed my sleep. “Here, the days are coming,” says Yahweh, “when I will sow the house of Isra’el and the house of Y’hudah with the seed of humans and the seed of animals. At that time, just as I used to watch over them with the intent to uproot, break down, overthrow, destroy and do harm; so then I will watch over them to build and plant,” says Yahweh. “When those days come they will no longer say, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ Rather, each will die for his own sin; every one who eats sour grapes, his own teeth will be set on edge.

“Here, the days are coming,” says Yahweh, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Isra’el and with the house of Y’hudah.

It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers on the day I took them by their hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt; because they, for their part, violated my covenant, even though I, for my part, was a husband to them,” says Yahweh. “For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Isra’el after those days [the Acharit Hayamim],” says Yahweh: “I will put my Torah within them and write it on their hearts; I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will any of them teach his fellow community member or his brother, ‘Know Yahweh’; for all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest; because I will forgive their wickednesses and remember their sins no more.” This is what Yahweh says, who gives the sun as light for the day, who ordained the laws for the moon and stars to provide light for the night, who stirs up the sea until its waves roar — Yahweh-Tzva’ot is his name:

“If these Torah laws leave my presence,” says Yahweh, “then the offspring of Isra’el will stop being a nation in my presence forever.”

This is what Yahweh says: “If the sky above can be measured and the foundations of the earth be fathomed, then I will reject all the offspring of Isra’el for all that they have done,” says Yahweh. “Look, the days are coming,” says Yahweh, “when the city will be rebuilt for Yahweh from the Tower of Hanan’el to the Corner Gate. The measuring line will be stretched straight to Garev Hill, then turn to Go’ah. The whole valley of corpses and ashes, including all the fields as far as Vadi Kidron, and on to the corner of the Horse Gate to the east, will be separated out for Yahweh; it will never be uprooted or destroyed again.”

Blessings be upon the name of Yeshua, who walked with us on the road to Emmaus,

Rav James Talbott, Yeshua HaTikvah Yisrael Ministries

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